Dzt Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) INTENT 20140603 - 250k Iteration - Patchwerk.html20140606 - 250k Iteration - Patchwerk.html Edited July 8, 2014 by Dzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 this is just personal experience, at a very low gear level, but when i played fury, i felt i had way more waiting time that 3 seconds, but then again im shit so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varibash Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 holy shit, gonna take awhile to go through this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Varibash Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 thanks for the post, it's a lot to read all at once. Hopefully people will take it seriously and start to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzt Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 Even the largest avalanche is triggered by small things. ~ Vernor Vinge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pìkachu Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 There are no breaks to the dzt train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) Noxicc is known for wrong information, while it might be good for warriors, you might be miss informed for another class. IcyVeins though is an amazing resource. Edited June 29, 2014 by Muln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ward Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Noxicc is known for wrong information, while it might be good for warriors, you might be miss informed for another class. IcyVeins though is an amazing resource. he is only using noxxic for sim info, therefor it will be correct for all classes, he then after posts the link to icy veins for a basic rotation, pls read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorty Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 it doesnt tell me to spam moonfire, i think the guides are off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzt Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) I will also look at changing talents/glyphs for fight specific theory crafting. http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/3050-siege-of-orgrimmar-restoration-shaman-style/ Here is the Restoration Shaman-specific thread on Icy Veins. It appears to be very verbose. Check out the section on Thok and let me know what you think. Edited June 29, 2014 by Dzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budlyght Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 it doesnt tell me to spam moonfire, i think the guides are off... Yeah I didnt see anything about bleed strength and when to over write a bleed or even the best ways for tracking it....pfft terrible feral druid guide IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Varibash Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzuhUCnr-mw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyntha Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I find it funny how all of this stuff that's been recently discussed isn't really that applicable to healers. Healing is 90% skill, intuition and learning the damage patterns of fights. No simcraft for healing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzt Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 There can be SimCraft for healing: use it to establish a baseline. Want to see how your output changes with a regem? Plug your character into AMR and then import it into SimCraft. You can save a ton of money by running these processes before implementation. If we have a raid setup of 2 tanks, 5-6 healers and 17-18 DPS; fixing DPS issues will give you the most bang for your buck in an audit such as this. DPS is basically where the most obvious, fixable issues lie at the moment. None of this diminishes the importance of healer / tank improvement. Honestly, I would like to see everyone walk away from this with something that they can use to improve themselves. A measure of success thusfar is Muln's indication that he would look at changing talents for individual fights. It could also assist leadership by giving them new tools to evaluate player performance (not to mention most of these things are great for the prequalification of applicants to the guild). it doesnt tell me to spam moonfire, i think the guides are off... Yeah I didnt see anything about bleed strength and when to over write a bleed or even the best ways for tracking it....pfft terrible feral druid guide IMO Uh, oh. Looks like someone wasn't looking very hard for the information. Section of Icy Veins in the Feral Druid section, entitled "When to Refresh DoTs": http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/feral-druid-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities#sec-5-2-4 Linked to this section is another, entitled "Specific Addons for Feral Druids": http://www.icy-veins.com/wow/feral-druid-pve-dps-macros-addons#sec-2-2 In section 2.2.2 of this guide, there is a link to a WeakAuras script from Stenhaldi, the reviewer of the Icy Veins guide: http://fluiddruid.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4446&p=18611#p18611 Finally, here are the Feral Druid specific recommendations for individual bosses in SOO: http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/3032-siege-of-orgrimmar-feral-druid-shredding-action/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyntha Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I change talents depending on the fight already. For some reason, Priest Tier 6 talents are all extremely powerful but work vastly differently. Stack fight? Here we come, Divine star. Stack loosely? Hello Halo. Spread all apart? Time to cascade. I also have run a holy offspec for the last few weeks just to min/max on holy friendly fights (Pretty much just Malkorok). Yeah, I get what you're saying though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzt Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 (edited) You and I do. I suspect that most don't. The primary goal of this effort is to get people to start digging into their class, learn the underlying science and produce an increase to personal performance. This isn't like raiding Sunwell; where people ported out to respec for individual fights. What does a tome cost, 45 silver? It is way different than the 20 minutes and 50 gold that it used to cost. Edited June 30, 2014 by Dzt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyntha Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 We've had dual spec for so long, I forgot how much it sucked not having it. But yeah, definitely. Some talents make a huge difference. If I didn't constantly change my T6 talents, I'd lose anywhere from 10 to 40 percent healing on some fights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budlyght Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Dzt...i looked at it and saw a bunch of nonsense about button smashing as a warrior so i lost interest before i finished. Icy-veins isnt terrible for kittys but it lacks a bunch of much needed stuff...like using swipe if you get a CC proc after you've already applied thrash. I am a firm believer that Noxxic/Icy-veins are good for learning a class from scratch but once you have learned the basics of a class your best bet is to go with a class specific website that just focuses on that (ie. fluiddruid.net) etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzt Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 You should note that there are links to fluiddruid.net in the IcyVeins Feral guide. It is information such as this that will provide a player with the opportunity for a more advanced study, if they choose to do so. An example of this is the Feral advanced rotation located at: http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T16H.html#player5 You must understand that there are some people in this guild that have no knowledge of these resources (or theorycrafting in general). In short, is this guide is intended to provide: the middle of the pack with some new sources of information and the lower end of the spectrum with the baseline resoucres necessary to fix any major shortcomings. Consider that before you post toxic comments in a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budlyght Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Dzt...i started reading it all and got lost in smashing buttons whenever they are available j/k j/k j/k. I just dont put a lot of faith into them because they teach a more basic thought process into classes when we as raiders pushing heroic content (should be) reading as many different sources as possible to maximize dps/hps/tps. There are TONS of great sites out there with really helpful people who have a wealth of knowledge about their classes. I'm just saying that going by just what noxxic/icy-veins says isnt going to get you as far as some more in depth research can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorty Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 this is how I feel when ward sucks dick and all i want to do is live but i end up pulling anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varibash Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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